Saturday, January 18, 2014

Scaled Continent: Lessons Learned

  • There is such a thing as too many players at the table, especially when they all have henchmen and you can't see each other.  ACKS with DM+3 is a very different game from DM+5.  At DM+3, we saw cohesion and lack of player capability overlap.  At DM+5, we saw disintegration of cohesion (see: Tim's assassin forays away from rest of group) and massive capability overlap (contention for front-rank slots by many fighters).  Grim Fist was DM+4, and that worked out pretty well.  Alex Macris' games seem to run at DM+6, but he built the system, so one would expect him to DM it optimally.
    • Playing over internet without video seriously aggravated this issue.
    • Fighter-centric game problems might eventually be solved by ACKS Heroic Fantasy book?  Or not adventuring in narrow corridors.  It's interesting that our group seems to really like fighters; I think that of eight players, four either were playing a melee fighter or had a melee fighter henchman (or both in two cases), while only two had dedicated ranged fighter or ranged explorer henchmen.  Dungeon-biased party composition.
  • Play to the things that motivate your players (duh?).  Treasure and exploration for their own sake, while romantic, don't appear to cut it with my player-base.  Money and exploration are both means, and there was a lack of interesting ends.  I have a slight aversion to unifying distant existential threat, because of a past experience where one player hyper-focused on it and set the group's agenda, but avoiding it entirely was probably not the right solution.
    • I believe this also contributed to lack of players taking scheduling initiative, which meant the irregular scheduling mode of operation broke down and the game became regular.  Timezones basically precluded weeknights anyway, though.
    • Lacking elements that I believe my players enjoy:
      • NPCs with agendas.  For all that we complain about the Elminster effect and how ACKS isn't like that, having a handful of high-power (possibly malicious) NPCs around is actually good in ACKS.
      • Coherent narrative; partly impeded by total playerbase size, partly by my intended style of game.
  • In platoon-scale Domains at War, lizardmen can crush something like three times their number of human mercenaries as a result of HD advantage (2d8+ vs 1d6) and racial +Morale, and lightning bolt is probably less good than fireball.  Sorry about that, Mark.
  • I may have made the barrier between civilization (Voltager) and wilderness (Continent) too big - 500 miles of ocean is "daunting".  Conversation with dad suggests that this may have also contributed to lack of scheduling initiative.
  • Trade under the standard rules still isn't quite doing it for us.  Probably needed bigger markets.
  • One player's feedback suggests that ready availablility of RL&L for purchase made death inconvenient rather than terrible, and hence the game was less exciting.  The primary consequence of dying was probably that you were basically done for the session because you needed weeks of bed rest; the side effects folks rolled were mostly nuisances rather than serious handicaps (especially when RL&Ling the giant hawk henchbeast).  Perversely, this problem is best solved by lowering market classes.
  • Treasure maps pointing to lairs rather than full dungeons actually worked pretty well.  The only trouble is that a lair with as much treasure as the treasure map roll yielded almost certainly meant dragon, cyclops, or something else rather formidable.
  • Hex stocking wasn't a big problem, but I did fail to use dynamic lairs again.  Random wilderness encounters were reasonably random and respected by players without dominating the game.  Nobody tried hex-clearing (yay?).
  • Again, world needed to be more active.  This was coming, with monsoon season and political upheaval, but not to the once-a-session-at-the-pizza-break levels that I had planned.
  • DM / genre fatigue is a thing, and timing when starting a new game is important.  If you take too long between when you have the idea and when the game starts, something else will start to look appealing.  In this case I waited a couple weeks trying to find a local group before falling back to internet.  This was a mistake, I guess?  Holiday unavailabilities did not help matters at all either.


  1. We’ve been running a co-DM’d ACKS campaign (Louisville D&D) for some time (more than 200 sessions) and I’ve come to think DM+4 players (PCs + 1-2 supporting henchmen per PC) is the sweet spot. What sort of Fighter-centric game problems are you having? Do they use “ranked” formations in dungeon. Confused by that.

    Giving the players goals in a dungeon helps orient them (usually “find something” like an item, person, etc. helps to keep the gameplay on track and support the exploration motif), but also give the dungeon some personality with factions working against each other (check out Dwellers of the Forbidden City and Dark Tower for great examples) and interesting mysteries to be discovered (even simple things that give the player an “ah ha!” moment like two things that can function together but are spread on opposite sides of the dungeon). If you have a regular group, maybe place something in each dungeon that each player might take interest in. A fighter discovers the first piece of a broken sword that may be reforged, the mage a partial formula for an interesting potion, the cleric a divine mystery that may unlock a secret prayer to their god (or their enemy’s god), etc. Use treasure maps as treasure to aid in discovering more within a dungeon too, giving them a natural reason to explore further (Oh, this map connects with ours! Wonder what’s in this odd-shaped room? What is that note scribbled on there..?). Does your game take place in the civilized lands or the wilderness? Perhaps the PCs are tasked with exploring and mapping the wilderness by a lord in the civilized lands. Might make a good hex crawl.

    I think Alex did intend for death to be a setback rather than game-ender. It’d be very difficult to reach the domain play if you didn’t have ways of restoring life. But, don’t discount those side-effects on the Tampering With Mortality table. Some can be huge. Also, remember that RL&L has a time restriction and once you have a Mortal Wound, if you take damage again (reduced to 0 from your 1 hit point), you cannot be restored. “During this time, the character does not regain hit points from natural or magical healing, and cannot take any action other than speaking and moving at half speed. If the character is killed again before he has had sufficient rest, he cannot be treated or restored to life by anything less than ritual magic.”

    1. The fighter-centric problem is that about half the party was melee, and only four of that half could engage from the front two ranks (despite using spears, they put war-dogs in the third middle-man slot in both rows), which left about a quarter of the party to clutter up the initiative order without actually doing anything. Purely their fault from a party design perspective, and I believe the reason they do this is survivability bias towards d8+plate.

      Part of the problem, admittedly, was that I was trying to run a 100% player-motivated Western Marches style game. Putting objectives in dungeons for particular players violated the semirandom player-mix assumption and to some degree verisimilitude.

      And I agree that one of ACKS' design goals was "death is not the end, but only the beginning of a gradual decline into monstrosity." The problem is that my players enjoyed (apparently?) a game with ACKS' lethality but where death _was_ the end, usually. Which I suppose helps explain the fighter-bias...

  2. This is a comment on an almost ten-year post, so it may or may not be approved/seen/responded to.

    For these ACKS games you ran, did you primarily rely on content you generated yourself, as opposed to adapting existing adventures? That's my inference from the scattered posts of yours about sessions that I've seen. If so, was this an intentional choice?

    1. Howdy, yeah, that's correct. I ran some published modules back in the 3e era, but then in the interregnum I ran weird stuff like True20 where there weren't many published modules (if any), and then coming to OSRIC and ACKS, there were instructions in the book for building and stocking dungeons, so I just followed those rather than buying. It's been a long time since I felt like I could fit a published module in my head properly with confidence to run it; maybe the paper-to-pdf transition I made in the '09-10 timeframe had something to do with it. I seldom buy or read published modules anymore, and when I do it's more for mining a couple good details than for doing a thorough adaptation. I don't think it was a conscious choice really so much as a pattern of behavior that emerged.